ME, SENATOR FOR NOT go to jail
Dell'Utri confesses all the fault of judges, and repent. But as the boss did vote Ciancimino Forza Italy
Beatrice Borromeo
"I do not care about politics, I am running for does not go to jail." Red Arrow-Milan-Rome. Marcello Dell'Utri, a senator of the PDL at first instance sentenced to nine years for mafia, falls asleep, sitting in his place, after eating a sandwich in the dining car. With him, a bodyguard. Then the phone rings and Dell'Utri - resigned face - wake up and like to talk about in a low voice.
Senator, she is on all the papers for the declarations of Massimo Ciancimino.
There are two options: either I shoot a shot, or take a joke. I will certainly parliamentary interpellation to understand what is behind these slanders.
But what earns Ciancimino to say these things?
much money: while the reduction of sentences. His sentence of five years after his initial statements, has been granted to three years. Not cheap: between pardons and things will have no trouble. Then we gain the salvation of the estate that my father left him. It's all abroad.
And who is the director who has an interest in promoting Ciancimino why do your names?
Surely those who manage it the same prosecutor who was my accuser in the first trial: that Ingroia. Antonio Ingroia is a fanatic, visionary, politically. In politics, is the opening up of political journals, has his plans. Ciancimino father I've never seen nor known, I did not take his place, so there is nothing: it is all assembled. Here's an inquisition. There is a persecution Torquemada never gave up his prey until he saw destroyed.
But it is difficult to argue that Ciancimino Spatuzza and all who have repented of the accused during his trial, are operated.
But this is not a problem, Andreotti had also regretted that most of the accused.
fact Andreotti was found guilty of the crime of conspiracy (Mafia) until 1980.
But Andreotti is a complex affair, I have not understood well, you should study it. These, my accusers, are prepared. There is a rope that never ends, an endless rope.
According Ciancimino the result of negotiations between the Mafia and Italian state was its strength, its creature.
Ciancimino This is a strange. Everyone knows, in Palermo. It 's the son of the family dumb Ciancimino.
Not looking so wasted.
not stupid, we say it is a particularly labile. He has a brother in Milan, which is a dignified person, it does not speak either. All people know that this [Massimo Ciancimino, ed] is a slightly debauched son: he likes cars and money. E 'can do anything.
Gaspare Spatuzza also regretted that between her and her brothers Graviano Berlusconi has been agreed.
But what we talking about? Falsehoods, calumnies. They are all people who have years in prison before, you understand. They save their skin.
Paolo Borsellino talks about her and Berlusconi last interview he granted before being killed.
interview was tampered with, manipulated. When we saw it in full [in the DVD attached Fact Daily, ed] we knew what was going on. It is clear that Vittorio Mangano had nothing to do: When we talk of horses, real horses intended.
Borsellino But when it came to the second horse was referred to lots of heroin.
jargon can be, but on that occasion it was true horses. I provided proof it was a horse with a pedigree, which was called Epoch.
Mangano, however, also spoke of a horse and a half ... This
was a language he had with others, with some Inzerillo, not with me. There, "a horse and a half" was obviously a lot of drugs.
He understands that people may seem strange that you give to a hero, even to him, trafficked heroin?
Yeah, right, I understand everything. But I did not say that he is a hero in an absolute sense. It 's my hero!
And she has maintained contact with Mangano even after it is released from jail, when they were well known crimes he had committed.
I kept in touch, of course, I said. My peace comes from the fact that I have nothing to be ashamed of.
Berlusconi is angry with her?
No, why? He knows me well.
even a little annoyed by all the problems that cause?
I? What have I to do? He wanted his Forza Italy. I have only done what I wanted was a plan by Prime Minister Berlusconi. I can not assume that I did not deserve.
not feel a responsibility, given its political role?
I am a political self-defense. I do not care about politics. I defend myself with politics, I have. When in 1994 he founded Forza Italy and made the first elections, the candidates I said: I'm running because I had no interest in making the member.
Then, in 1995, were arrested for false invoices.
I ran for election in 1996 to protect me. In fact, soon after, came the arrest warrant.
And the House has rejected. But it seems a good way to use the policy?
Absolutely not. It is absurd, ugly. We hope to change everything as soon as possible! But there was nothing else to do ...
Why does not defend himself outside Parliament?
I defend even outside.
Why not just out?
I'm not stupid! I have to defend or not? Those arrested me!
If I stop what I do, I apply too?
But why should she stop it? And then she did not candida anyone, so do not worry. I could run for and I did.
He also circles of good governance.
Imagine that we have no more phones because they had more resources to pay for them were, say, cut.
You do not have more resources?
Yes, yes. So it is. Now let the rental of the premises in Via del Tritone in Rome because we can no longer maintain it.
And there subsidizes the PDL?
The PDL is adverse to the clubs: it is made up of people che hanno preso il potere e hanno paura di chiunque sia migliore di loro.
Che fa se la condannano in appello?
Vado in Cassazione!
Non si dimette?
Ma sta scherzando?
E se la condannano in Cassazione?
Eh lì vado in galera. A quel punto mi dimetto.
